Wargames Spain - Flames of War

He visto vuestros comentarios sobre las ss, y a falta de datos hay que decir que dentro de las ss habia varias ramas, unas de indole policial y otras de indole militar.

Las wafen ss, eran de alguna manera las ss militares, es decir de combate en el frente. En principio fueron alemanas, formadas por alemanes de origen , pero no de nacionalidad.

Esto era debido a que el heer tenia la exclusiva del reclutamiento de alemanes nacionales, salvo las pocas unidades con que se inicio la guerra.

Cuando comenzo la expansion de las wafen ss, se comenzo a recluar a los alemanes de las minorias de checoslovaquia, polonia, hungria, etc....

Posteriormente himmler vio un filon en los voluntarios europeos, comenzando por holandeses, noruegos, daneses, enrolados en las filas de las Waffen ss para luchar contra el comunismo.

finalmente el cuerpo que enroló a los voluntarios de la europa del este en su lucha contra el comunismo fueron las Waffen ss, a modo de legion extranjera alemana, no por ello sin reservas por parte de hitler.

Es un tema apasionante pero un poco complejo.

Respecto al tema original sobre la presencia de Tigres en batallones diciplinarios, a mi me convence este punto de vista:

http://www.svenhassel.info/

Exaggeration in the books
Nolan:- One of the things that always struck me in Sven`s books is the way he exaggerates things, especially numbers. As has been said before, it would be unlikely that the 27th (Penal) Panzer Rgt would have had any vehicles better than pzkpf III`s or IV`s. Yet Sven constantly says that they have Tigers and Panthers. First of all, for the Tigers, I have a list of all the Tiger Is made (1400 of them) and to which unit they were posted. No 27th Pz Rgt. Secondly, SH lists the Tiger losses as huge (200-600) per battle...Totally impossible as I have seen how many Tigers where destroyed each month (30-40). In many other places in the books, the losses in men and material are quite simply impossible.

Still, don`t let me destract you from the books themselves, that are brilliant and seem to be a reasonably accurate rendition of the Second World War.

Dan:- Actually, I was just thinking about this and I reckon that completely overestimating losses etc is more authentic? You see, if he gave accurate figures it would look like he`d read about them in a history book - but someone on the ground, looking round and seeing burnt out wrecks of tanks everywhere, with maybe a Tiger or two in amongst them, will probably report that there was definately 600 Tigers destroyed that very afternoon!

It`s only when we know that there were only 1400 Tigers to start off with that we doubt the figures. Or am I talking complete bollocks?

si, bastante de acuerdo con el segundo tipo... es facil valorar que sus cifras son exageradas ahora que tenemos datos sobre la produccion total, pero en medio de un combate y sin saber cuantos se han fabricado es facil que se te vaya un poco la pinza con los numeros

De todas formas no era por eso por lo que he resucitado el pos, si no porque en una web linkada en otro post encontre lo siguiente:

27.Panzer-Regiment

History

I.Abt. formed on 10 Nov 38 with four Kp. as independent Heerestruppen. I.Abt. Renamed II./Pz.Rgt.31 on 24 Nov 38. Pz.Rgt.27 formed on 1 Oct 40 with three Abt. each with two light and one med Kp. and assigned to 19.Pz.Div. III.Abt. disbanded on 10 Aug 41. I.Abt. disbanded on 31 Mar 42. II.Abt. renamed I./Pz.Rgt.27 on 1 Apr 42. New II.Abt. formed from renamed Pz.Abt.138 on 27 Mar 43. I.Abt. converted to Panthers on 15 Oct 43.

que con tanto apocope no me he enterado de media, excepto de que, por lo visto, era un regimiento independiente del Heer